12:34:25	 From  Tristan Call : You could also re-evaluate what is suffering. So instead of pain/death being suffering, being bored or unmotivated might be the new suffering?
12:46:57	 From  Megan Rice (she/her) : We should use technology to make war completely virtual
12:48:00	 From  Tristan Call : To be fair humans are really good at ignoring their moral compasses already, and the military already serves as a very effective context for enabling these moral transgressions without drugs
12:50:17	 From  Peter Jonas : Nate would grow too powerful
12:50:20	 From  Peter Jonas : Im against it
12:50:28	 From  Peter Jonas : for him specifically living 300 years
12:50:45	 From  Megan Rice (she/her) : He would become a legendary trickster
12:53:44	 From  Megan Rice (she/her) : I wonder if u could model the marginal utility of additional years of life and at what point it really declines to help answer the question of how long we "should" live
13:03:16	 From  Tristan Call : Then IQ wouldn't change because its an average of the population!
13:07:03	 From  Reilly Bettis (she/her) : I guess it depends on how you qualify baseline as well - like, if you consider people with neurodivergencies (like autism or ADHD) to be below the baseline, and you work to eliminate their experiences, you have to ask how that will affect the diversity of human experience and quantify how much that diversity matters
13:07:48	 From  Megan Rice (she/her) : ^^ we should defs think critically about how the structure of society creates expectations/definitions of baseline that are unfair or unnecessary
13:19:53	 From  Tristan Call : If you want a current world example of a relatively 'side effect free treatment' in the athletic area you could consider personal trainers or other 'normal' enhancements on those lines. They're expensive and help increase performance above what you would normally get (or at least that's their entire marketing schtick). While at the professional level everyone does these, at more amateur levels like high school a personal trainer could elevate a student above the rest of them.
13:25:21	 From  Sarah Bodisco : also the sustainability of ecstasy use is pretty questionable. And, swings between reality and drugs would be very difficult
13:28:14	 From  Sarah Bodisco : soma
13:30:28	 From  Megan Rice (she/her) : It would give the suppliers of those drugs a LOT of power
13:30:51	 From  Makenna Girard (She/Her) : Cough US Government Cough
13:36:05	 From  Ben Ratcliff : big if